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rogor gaxda ~nasamarTlevi~ giorgi goguaZe gamgebeli
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lanCxuTis gamgebeli, ramaz nikolaiSvilis megobari giorgi goguaZe qveynis masStabiT erT-erTi gavleniani gamgebelia. oponentebidan zogi mas ~komkavSirels~ eZaxis, zogi _ oponentebis mdevnels, zogi gakeTebuls uwunebs, zogic biujetis fulis xarjvas uTvlis... dRes mas sul sxva kuTxiT warmogidgenT _ giorgi goguaZe Tavisi karierissaintereso, mxiarul da pikantur istoriebs mogviyveba.
_ batono gia, Tqveni bavSvobiT daviwyoT. celqi iyaviT?
_ ara, celqi da autaneli arc bavSvobaSi vyofilvar, seriozuli bavSvi viyavi. Cvens quCaze baga iyo, iq davdiodi, Semdeg baRSic...
_ baRis saWmelebi giyvardaT? qaSi, kiseli, karaqiani puri...
_ (icinis) ki, ar viwunebdi. baRis damsaxurebaa isic, rom damoukidebel cxovrebas miveCvie da ojaxTan moSoreba ar miWirda.
_ sul ar celqobdiT?
_ iyo raRaceebi, magram iseTi celqi, dRes rom magaliTad Cemi ori SviliSvilia, namdvilad ar vyofilvar.
_ skolaSi kargad swavlobdiT?
_ ki, medalze davamTavre skola. teqnikur sagnebs gansakuTrebiT kargad vswavlobdi, ramac ganapiroba Cemi politeqnikurSi Cabareba. maSin CvenTan gemTmSenebeli qarxnis aSeneba qalaqis did perspeqtivas saxavda, es iyo gasamxedroebuli tipis obieqti, yovel SemTxvevaSi, maSin ase ambobdnen. qalaqis gareubanSi unda yofiliyo mSeneblobebi, korpusebi gakeTdeboda, gasarTobi centriT, kinoTeatriT. amitomac ~gepeiSi~ Cabareba maSin perspeqtiuli gaxldaT.
_ isev bavSvobas davubrundeT. sports ar misdevdiT?
_ ki, bavSvobidanve fexburTze davdiodi, dantes jejelavasTan vvarjiSobdi. normalurad vTamaSobdi, dacvidan naxevardacvamde avedi da mere gamomiyvanes, radgan swavlasa da TamaSs erTdroulad veRar vaswrebdi. kalaTburTsa da xelburTSic vvarjiSobdi. fexburTze meti miRwevebi mqonda _ raionis nakrebis wevri viyavi da turnirebSi vmonawileobdi.
_ ymawvilobis periodSi giCxubiaT?
_ ki, ra Tqma unda, vCxubobdi, rogorc sxva (icinis).
_ galaxulxarT?
_ ki, asec iyo...
_ gitiriaT amis gamo?
_ (icinis) ki, oRond patara rom viyavi.
_ gogosTvis giCxubiaT?
_ mecxre klasamde ki, magram Semdeg ukve Cemi momavali momaval meuRles davukavSire da saCxubari aRar mqonda.
_ saxlSi mSoblebic gsjidnen?
_ ara, ara... erTxel iyo, roca dedis xeli damamaxsovrda _ meore klasSi viqnebodi, roca mezobels xili movpareT da man dedaCemTan dagvabezRa. deda gadairia da damsaja.
_ xilis moparva giyvardaT?
_ Sen warmoidgine, roca umaRlesSi Cavabare, biWebi wavsulvarT xilis mosaparad, ufro garTobis mizniT.
_ ~Sataloebzec~ dadiodiT xolme?
_ ki da sxvaTa Soris, Cvens ~Satalos~ mTels lanCxuTSi didi gamoxmaureba mohyva.
_ aseTi ra moxda, an ra daaSaveT?
_ merve klasSi viyaviT. mamaCemi raikomis meore mdivani iyo, CemTan swavlobda ganaTlebis ganyofilebis gamgis ZmisSvilic. klasSi 7 xuTosani viyaviT... ~Satalos~ didi rezonansi mohyva, es iyo aprilis bolo da ukve maisidan skolaSi daiwyo inspeqtireba, romelic Cvenma klasma kargad gaiara, mecxre-meaTes gauWirda da amas skolis direqtorisa da saswavlo nawilis gamgis Tanamdebobebi Seewira. roca skola davamTavreT da 5 wlis aRsaniSnavad SevikribeT, direqtorma gvTxova gveTqva, vin iyo moTave...
_ Tqven xom ar iyaviT?
_ ara, moTave yvela viyaviT, vTqviT da gadavwyviteT. winaswar viyaviT SeTanxmebulebi, klitekaraze wavediT, iqidan CibaTSi da CanTebi gzaSi davmaleT. dedaCemi skolaSi aswavlida da yvelaze metad man ganicada...
_ batono gia, gamigia, kargi Tamada xarT. pirveli daTroba gaxsovT?
_ rogor ar maxsovs (icinis). merve klasSi viqnebodi, roca TbilisSi naTesavis qorwilSi sami Wiqa davlie da davTveri. aRar maxsovda araferi... mere, meore kursamde saerTod aRar damilevia. kargad vsvamdi da axlac SemiZlia, magram samsaxuri arc smis da Tamadobis saSualebas ar maZlevs.
_ did sufrebsa da qorwilebSi xSirad giTamadiaT?
_ ki, xSirad...
_ studentur wlebze gadavideT...
_ politeqnikurSi avtomatikisa da gamoTvliTi teqnikis safuZvlebze Cavabare. Zalian kargi jgufi myavda, maTTan dRemde vmegobrob. kinoSi, TeatrebSi davdiodiT. Zalian miyvarda CantlaZis miniaturebis TeatrSi misvla. garda amisa, mTeli xuTi weli ~dinamos~ brwyinvale gamarjvebebs daemTxva da TamaSs ar vtovebdi. mokled, swavlasTan erTad didi kulturuli da sportuli cxovrebiT viyavi dakavebuli. restoranSic davdiodiT, vqeifobdiT... gansakuTrebiT dasavleTidan Casulebi vmegobrobdiT, radgan yvela naqiravebSi vcxovrobdiT, Tumca TbiliselebTanac vaxloblobdiT. meore kursze ukve davojaxdi, magram amas megobrobisTvis xeli ar SeuSlia _ piriqiT, gavafarToveT samegobro wre. marTlac kargi dro iyo, Zalian kargi studentoba gvqonda. samwuxarod, im periodSi dameRupa mama, ramac dRemde mouSuSebeli tkivili momayena.
_ mama Tqvens daojaxebas xom moeswro?
_ ki. sxvaTa Soris, Cems qorwilSi pirveli Tamada mamaCemi iyo. tradicia me da Cemma biWmac ganvagrZeT da mis qorwilSi me viTamade.
_ batono gia, Tqveni karieris Sesaxebac gviambeT. gamgeblobamde ra gza gamoiareT?
_ im periodSi institutidan ganawilebiT midiodi samsaxurSi. me ruseTSi unda wavsuliyavi, magram Temur gugunavas daxmarebiT lanCxuTSi gamanawiles da acanaSi daviwye muSaoba. iq iyo satvirTo-samgzavro bagirgza, mTels saqarTveloSi erTaderTi avtomatizirebuli. maSin acanaSi kolmeurneobis Tavmjdomare mamaCemis megobari givi ebraliZe gaxldaT.
_ pirveli xelfasi ramdeni iyo da raSi daxarjeT?
_ es iyo studentobis dros, roca biZaCemis daxmarebiT metromSenSi daviwye muSaoba, delisis metro keTdeboda.
_ ras akeTebdiT?
_ Cveulebriv, muSa viyavi. 150 maneTi mqonda xelfasi, 100 maneTi meuRles miveci, 50 biWebTan davxarje. Semdegac ar mSordebodnen biWebi (icinis), Tumca isinic mexmarebodnen xolme. acanaSi 115 lari iyo inJinris xelfasi, simarTle giTxraT, aRar maxsovs, raSi davxarje, radgan CemTvis pirveli studentobisas aRebuli xelfasi iyo. Semdeg givi xalvaSma 83-e profteqnikur saswavlebelSi gadamiyvana, 6 Tve vimuSave iq jgufis xelmZRvanelad.
_ Tqven partiul Tanamdebobebzec gimuSaviaT...
_ (icinis) ki, albert lomaZem gadamiyvana sportisa da masobrivi Tavdacvis ganyofilebaSi, Semdeg komkavSiris meore mdivani viyavi, male pirvel mdivnad damawinaures, vimuSave aRmaskomis Tavmjdomaris moadgiledac. es, rac Seexeba komunistur periods, amis Semdeg ukve erovnul xelisuflebaSi, kerZod ki prefeqturaSi mSeneblobis, mrewvelobisa da vaWrobis seqtoris gamged daviniSne, gia goTuas gamgeblobisas gaxldiT misi mrCeveli.
im periodSi didi problemebi hqonda ~gurias~ da wavedi klubSi, ufro zustad ki arCevnebSi klubis prezidentad amirCies. Zalian rTuli periodi iyo, 2 weli vimuSave. sawyis TveebSi ar gamWirvebia, radganac Zalian kargi gundi gvyavda. Semdeg ufinansobis gamo, mTeli Cveni gundi waiyvana gurjaanma, ~guria-2~-dan davakompleqteT mTavari gundi. iq TamaSze viyaviT Casuli da roca ~alazani~ ver gvigebda, gulSematkivrebma gineba dauwyes TavianTi klubis xelmZRvanelebs _ ver mimxvdarxarT, vin unda wamogeyvanaTo.
_ rogorc vici, sabWoTa safexburTo wreebSi ~polkovnikad~ wodebul imedo dunduasTan megobrobdiT, iciT araerTi safexburTo kuriozi...
_ cxonebuli imedo marTlac didebuli adamiani iyo, ~guriaze~ usazRvrod Seyvarebuli. erT ambavs mogiyvebiT: gundis mTavari mwvrTnelia Saliko kakabaZe da ~gurias~ kulaSeli ebraelebic exmarebodnen. miSa iyo erT-erTi maTgani da Salikos Txova, sufras gavakeTeb, miliciis ufrosi wamomiyvane da Tu samSe mJavanaZe revolveridan isvris, TiTo gasrolaze 1000 maneTs mogcemo. waiyvana Salikom samSe. 70 kacze magari sufraa. miSa TavisianebSi amayobs, rom kulaSSi miliciis ufrosi Caiyvana da Tan unda, gaisrolos. miSam Seaxsena piroba Salikos, amanac _ samSes da gaisrola mJavanaZem erTi, meore, mesame... Saliko xmamaRla iTvlis, 1 000 maneTi, 2 000 maneTi, 3 000 maneTi... mivarda miSa Saliko kakabaZesTan da eubneba: Saliko, mafseeeb?!
_ klubis prezidentis Tanamdeboba ratom datoveT?
_ iyo raRac mizezi da klubi davtove, ris Semdegac iseTi rame moxda, cxovrebaSi rom ver warmovidgendi _ muSaoba policiaSi daviwye.
_ ra?! policiaSi?
_ ki, guriis satransporto policiaSi. jer ozurgeTSi viyaviT, mere ofisi natanebSi gadavitaneT.
_ ras akeTebdiT, xalxs iWerdiT?
_ (icinis) ki, asec iyo da es yvelaze metad gamiWirda. CvenTan Semodioda sahaero, sarkinigzo da sazRvao transporti. principSi sahaero CvenTan aRar iyo, radgan meriis aerodroms funqcionireba ukve SeCerebuli hqonda, navsadguri ar gvqonda da darCa rkinigza, tvirTs vacilebdiT... cota xani vimuSave, samegobros rekomendaciiT wavedi iq. gamiWirda, policiaSi sxvanairi muSaobaa saWiro... uSualod organizeba da Segueba ara, ufro daWerebi gamiWirda. pirveli ori Tve aqtiuri muSaoba momiwia da xSirad gvaCvenebdnen televiziiT.
_ amis Semdeg Tqven midixarT ~saqarTvelos navTobis korporaciaSi~, sadac 10 weli warmomadgeneli iyaviT dasavleT saqarTveloSi...
_ ara, Tavidan gaxldiT qarTuli da ucxouri mxareebis warmomadgeneli lanCxuTSi, Semdeg ki _ qarTuli mxarisa ukve dasavleT saqarTveloSi. Cveni mTavari movaleoba iyo mosaxleobasTan urTierToba, 3 200 ojaxTan gvqonda Sexeba. sxvaTa Soris, rom werT, gia WanturiasTan erTad gauSveso, arasworia, me Semdegac viyavi imave Tanamdebobaze. erTxel da samudamod, minda davafiqsiro, rom aranair CxubSi monawileoba ar mimiRia, miT umetes, arc darbevis organizebaSi, ubralod, mcire Selaparakeba momivida koba daviTaSvilTan, sul es iyo. Tqven ki ver daiviwyeT es ambavi (icinis).
_ batono gia, Tqven iyaviT gaeros warmomadgeneli dasavleT saqarTveloSi, oRond, simarTle giTxraT, ver gavige, es ras niSnavs...
_ ~saqarTvelos navTobis korporacia~ Tavidan gaeros egidiT funqcionirebda, Cven gaeros warmomadgenlobaSi gaviareT treiningebi da gamocdebi da Tavidan, 2 weliwads viTvlebodiT gaeros warmomadgenlad.
_ Zvel gazeTSi vnaxe TqvenTan interviu, sadac ambobT, rom lanCxuTi iqneba 30-aTasiani qalaqi...
_ ki, namdvilad, es proeqti Cemi TvaliT maqvs nanaxi _ 15 milioni dolari ideboda rkinigzis mimdebared. maSin qalaqis meriam gamoyo 24 ha miwis nakveTi. aq iqneboda navTobis gadamamuSavebeli qarxana. dRe-RameSi 40 vagoni navTobi unda mieRo da gadaemuSavebina.
_ ratom CaiSala proeqti?
_ ver getyviT, arada, marTlac kargi iqneboda lanCxuTisTvis.
_ batono gia, rogor gaxdiT gamgebeli, vin SemogTavazaT?
_ cota ufro adre momixda politikaSi CarTva _ es iyo saprezidento arCevnebis win, maSindel gubernator mixo svimoniSvilis dros. me ar vicnobdi ramaz nikolaiSvils, moxda Cveni Sexvedra. sam dReSi masTan muSaoba SemomTavaza, unda damexmaroo. jer gubernatoris warmomadgeneli viyavi. batonma ramazma Tavidanve Cemze kargi STabeWdileba datova da es saqmiTac daamtkica. simarTle giTxra, am periodSi gamgeblobis SemoTavazeba moulodneli iyo, Tumca, adre mifiqria, am adgilze rom vyofiliyavi, riTi unda damewyo...
_ rogori aRmoCnda realurad gamgebloba?
_ namdvilad urTulesi, Tumca bevri ram gakeTda, gasakeTebelic bevria da amaze mwydeba guli, rom uceb yvelafris gakeTebis SesaZlebloba ar aris. gamgebeli rom xar, mSvidad ver xar...
_ gavrcelebuli informaciiT, Tqvens kandidaturaze merabiSvilsa da kezeraSvils uTqvamT, swored aseTi gamgebeli gvindao...
_ piradad arc erTs vicnob da ase rom, ver getyviT.
_ Tqven, guriaSi wagebuli saprezidento arCevnebis Semdeg da saparlamento arCevnebis win moxvediT, rac didad sarisko iyo...
_ ki, sarisko, ra Tqma unda, iyo, radgan mec vkargavdi yvelafers da isinic, vinc guriaSi iyvnen.
_ mkacri gamgebeli xarT?
_ Tavidan, albaT, ufro mkacri viyavi. SeveCvie, aRar vmkacrob (icinis). wesrigi miyvars, Tu amas simkacre hqvia.
_ Tqven akrZaleT kabinetebSi Wama da yavis daleva...
_ arasdros ar mikadrebia imis Tqma, Tqven aq yavas svamdiT da aRar dalioT,-meTqi.
_ batono gia, mtrebi gyavT?
_ meyoleba aba, ra iqneba?!
_ maT Soris aq, SigniTac?
_ ver getyviT. me ar minda rom myavdes, magram Tu vinme mmtrobs... me ar var aravis mteri!
_ rom gebrZvian, maTi gakeTebuli win xom ar gxvdebaT?
_ Sen axla warwerebze amaxvileb yuradRebas, ara?!
_ ara marto warwerebze! komentarebi, kuluaruli Worebi...
_ didad ar vaRviveb am situacias...
marTalia, gamgebeli ar uaryofs, rom ~mtrebi~ eyoleba, magram verafers rom ver akleben, faqtia. SesaZloa, viRacas misi ~gacimbirebac~ undodes, magram gauWirdebaT igives gakeTeba, rac valodia wulaZem ~gauCaliCa~ _ cnobilma msaxiobma jer kidev moswavle gia goguaZe mosamarTle qeTo megreliSvils ~gaasamarTlebina~:
_ mecxre klasSi viyaviT, roca valodia wulaZem dadga ~simonas gasamarTleba~. scenebSi xSirad viRebdi monawileobas. sxvaTa Soris, sadac me vcxovrob, iq cxovrobda egnate ninoSvilis personaJi mose mwerali, igive mose cincaZe. ~gagvasamarTles~ Cveulebrivad, sasamarTlo darbazSi. qeTevan megreliSvili iyo maSin mosamarTle da Cvens dadgmaSi isic realurad monawileobda. Cveulebriv darbazSi, badragisa da Tofebis TanxlebiT Semiyvanes. mTeli klasi iq iyo, ~peredaCic~ gamomigzavnes (icinis). ~mamxnevebdnen~, nu geSiniao. mosamarTlem mkiTxa, bolo sityvaSi ras iTxovo? vupasuxe _ Sewyaleba-Sebralebas ar gTxovT,-meTqi da cxonebulma valodiam darbazidan taSi damikra. uvado patimroba momisajes Tu 15 weli, kargad aRar maxsovs. isev badragiTa da Tofebis qveS gamiyvanes darbazidan, _ ixsenebs gamgebeli.
_ Tavisufal dros ras akeTebs gamgebeli?
_ sad maqvs Tavisufali dro? ugrafikod vmuSaobT, SabaT-kvirasac ar visveneb. Tu cota dro damrCa, SviliSvilebs veferebi. sxvaTa Soris, Suqi Tu Caqra, mirekaven _ gamgebelo, Suqi rodis movao. mariami baRis ambebs saRamos miyveba, ra aWames baRSi, moewona Tu ara da a. S.
_ SviliSvilebs eTamaSebiT?
_ ara, ZiriTadad veferebi. Svilebi didebi arian, ar mogaferebineben ukve da da maT magivradac patarebs veferebi...
mokled, aseTia lanCxuTis gamgeblis cxovrebis aqamde ucnobi detalebi. marTalia, Tavad uaryofs, magram amboben, mis gamgeblad daniSvnamde gamgeobis win ~jipi~ gaCerda, saidanac aravin gadmosula, samagierod manqanaSi Camjdara giorgi goguaZe, iq ki, Turme, isxdnen Ss da Tavdacvis ministrebi. ufro adre ki, roca ramaz nikolaiSvils yvelaze gavleniani ministrebisTvis goguaZis warsulis is detali gauxsenebia, ris gamoc gamgebels ~Senobebi auWreles~, ~vano magarias~ uTqvams _ ~swored aseTi gamgebeli gvWirdebao~. ise, lanCxuTis kvalobaze ~gia magariac~ SeiZleba davarqvaT.
dasasrul, erTic: gamgebelma im Jurnalistad Semracxa, vinc, Turme, ~yvelaze metad ver itans~. gamgeblisgan da saerTod, Cinovnikisgan aseTi Sefaseba JurnalistisTvis kargia, Tavad ki adamianurad aranairi safuZveli ar maqvs gia goguaZes ~ver vitande~. ise, Cemi damateba raRad unda _ imave SenobaSic sakmaod arian iseTebi, vinc mas ~ver itanen~ gavlenebis gamo _ dRevandel lanCxuTSi gia goguaZe rom yvelaze gavleniani Cinovnikia, es oponentebmac unda aRiaron.
~baska~, ~Cito~, ~bucefali~ da ~ququ~
visTvis tardeba baxmaros dResaswauli
~msgavsi upatrono kurorti arsad ar iqneba~
aq dro XVII saukuneSi gaCerda...
gaxsnisTanave daxuruli da gauxsneli
rogor gaxda ~nasamarTlevi~ giorgi goguaZe gamgebeli